• Craps Does 5 Count Work In
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• Craps Does 5 Count Work Sheet

1. Come out roll on any new shooter - $10 on DP.
• If shooter throws 2,3,or12 - do same bet.
• If shooter throws any point number - go to step 2.
• If shooter throws a 7 or 11 do not replace the bet, but immediately start the Captain's 5-count system - starting with the next throw of the dice. If shooter gets past the 5-count, place a come or pass bet and take single odds. Place another come bet on the next roll and place single odds. Continue to keep 2 come bets with single odds on the table for as long as the shooter holds the dice. Obviously, if the shooter keeps making the numbers then you can press the odds up or make additional come bets. If the shooter 7's out then start step 1 all over again
2. Place a $5 don't come bet.
• If the shooter 7's out - you won $5 from DP bet - go back to step 1.
• If the shooter rolls 11 - do not replace DC bet.
• If the shooter rolls 2,3 take winnings and repeat bet; if 12 then same bet.
• If the shooter rolls any point number - go to step 3.
3. Do not make any more bets until:
• Shooter seven's out - you won $15 - go back to step 1.
• Shooter kills both of your bets - DP and DC. If you no longer have any bets on the table, immediately begin the Captain's 5-count. Employ the same method of betting as I described in step 1, letter C.

1. As Shooter57 used to say, Scoblete got the five-count wrong. He should have used it for the Darkside which would mean making a DC or a DP( if the point was made on the fifth count), after the 5 count.
2. Let's discuss the 'five count' which, in theory, keeps your chips in the rail at the craps table until it appears that the shooter is not one of those guys or gals who is going to seven out too soon. In another thread Frank Scoblete wrote about using the 5-count when random rollers/shooters have the dice: Frank, would you mind summarizing the 5.

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This method seems to have quite a few safeguards against 1 shooter killing your bankroll on DP by not allowing yourself to lose more than 1 bet per shooter to a 'natural' on the come out. It also makes sure that if a hot roll develops - you are on the right side of the table.

As the ability to sell shooting skills through the telling of tales came to be more accepted and accomplished in the craps community, the five count became less important than the ability to shoot box numbers and avoid the seven. #5 KokomoJoe4, Jan 15, 2017 lone irish digit, Jan 15, 2017. However, a small segment of the craps community believes you can influence your results with a certain technique. This technique is referred to as “dice control” (a.k.a. Controlled shooting). It involves the art of tossing dice in a manner that helps you control the winning numbers as you play real money craps.

Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Not again. But hey - this subject is always good to stimulate conversation. Scoblete claims that using the five count - waiting for the shooter to toss five numbers before placing any action - will eliminate 57% of the random rollers and set you up for more winning sessions. There was a time when he implied that this was an 'advantage' method of play, although the guys who do math pretty much shouted that idea down. In any case, I know that some of you guys play the five count. I'd like to ask you to give us your opinion. I played it once upon a time and abandoned it - for what I believe is good reason. What are your thoughts? Here are a few random thought starters.
If the five count is good wouldn't a six count be better? How about a nine count? A twenty-two count? Or how about having it time-based instead of toss based. Make it a five minute count.
If you agree that random dice have no memory then how can you say the odds of the hand continuing are any better after five tosses than after the first one? The odds of the seven showing on the next toss are always one in six.
One of the theories put forth by Scoblete is that while you're doing your five count you are still on the comp clock and earning comp points. Is it your experience that that works? My experience has been that the pit critters figure out what you're doing fairly early on and adjust your rating appropriately.

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John Patrick used to promote a strategy that was just the opposite of the Scoblete Five Count. His idea was to wait for five tosses - then lay against the point. If you subscribe to due number theory (the seven is due because it's been five rolls and we haven't seen it yet) doesn't that make more sense than Scoblete's Five Count.

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Just as an aside, a fellow board member told me about a group of Five Counters playing at Bellagio who were all passing the dice to one or two shooters from their camp. They were all doing the five count on their own shooter. They'd wait until their guy got to roll five, then they'd all place their bets. Finally the pit critter got tired of having a full table with no action on the layout and told them all they were done for the day. Now, that's a second hand story so I don't know how accurate it is, but I suspect it's close to the truth. Thoughts on that?

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Craps Does 5 Count Work Sheet

Let's hear it, guys. Where do you stand on the five count.